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Hello, new to the group. Doing container gardening at the moment in the back yard while I dig out the patches of grass. I noticed that a raised bed from this summer which I did not get to plant in has kitty poop in it. Going to throw it out, but it does make me concerned about cats in the garden peeing and pooping. Stories, ideas, suggestions? Thanks.
Barbara Moore Thank you Melanie. Still navagating this site and with the holidays and work I got behind. Great suggestions. I greatly appreciate it.82 days ago -
What is Urban Farming Day on Oct 30th all about?
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I just moved down here from Minnesota the end of May. When I lived in MN I had a garden full of herbs, tomatoes, peppers, cu***bers, etc. I am wondering what grows down here. I have downloaded the guide. Anyone have any success, or any advice that I would need to take?? My boyfriend said that he would build me some raised beds in between some trees that we have in the backyard. The spot seems to get plenty of shade with some sun here and there. Please help me in anyway.
Zotero Citlalcoatl In terms of vegetables pretty much everything grows down here, just in different seasons than your probably used too. In AZ we basically have the ability to grow food year round, since our winters are light (in most of AZ). I believe something insane like 80% of all leafy greens consumed in the US are grown in AZ during the winter.
In regards to the location of your garden I personally wouldn't place it in an area with a lot of shade. You definitely want to protect it from the Sun on the West side, but you want it to get plenty of Southern exposure. In the Spring/Summer grow season, vegetables need at least 7 hours of direct sunlight. In the winter we're looking at 5 hours. Peas my not flower with only 5 hours, but you can definitely grow leafy greens.
I'm also NOT a fan of using raised beds in the desert. In any other area of the country that would be the way to go. Not here. All the qualities that make a raised bed excellent everywhere else, is their major weakness in the desert. The 2 main ones being the fact that the soil in a raised bed is a lot warmer & it drains water very quickly. These means that you will use more water to produce your vegetables & that they won't be as happy because their roots are going to be very hot. It won't take much to have a crop failure.
I recommend doing a water harvesting basin for your vegetable garden. This would require you to dig at least 2 feet down (only dig out the planting bed & leave walkways intact), excavating all the soil & then amend it. You amend it by putting in 1/2 of the screened native soil & 1/2 quality compost. This works really well for me, much better than any of the raised beds I've built. I do this for a living & have direct experience with both methods. Digging in the ground is also much cheaper. The wood & soil needed for a raised bed can be very expensive. You can do a 100 sq ft garden for under $50 in the ground if you do the digging yourself. Not so with a raised bed. Your looking at at least $150 for the same square footage & you're be paying more for water too. For the same amount of money you can hire a master backhoe operator to dig out several garden beds in 2 hours.
With that said, digging 2 ft down may not be up you're alley. If you're going to build a raised bed anyway, do it the permaculture way. Build a wicking bed as they would say in Australia. In the US they usually call them Sub Irrigated Planters or Self Watering Containers. It's basically a low-tech hydro planter that utilizes capillary action to water your plants through their root systems. These systems can conserve 50%-80% of the water necessary to grow vegetables in arid drylands like our desert.
It's a permaculture thing that came out of Australia with their strict water laws. They can only hand water their gardens & only 2xper week max! Many places in Australia are arid drylands like our desert. I've posted 4 links which are my favorite right now
http://www.globalbuckets.org/p/olla-irrigation-clay-pot-system.html
http://www.globalbuckets.org/p/grow-bags.html
http://www.globalbuckets.org/1999/12/grow-bags-combined-with-aquavalve.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLsz5XWSE8o
Here is an extensive research list I've compiled over the years on how to build these systems:
Self-Watering Containers
http://www.josho.com/gardening.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZUCxBHeq04
http://grow.lot-o-nothin.com/sites/default/files/swc-1-making-a-swc-final.pdf
http://grow.lot-o-nothin.com/sites/default/files/swc-2-dual-tub-swc.pdf
http://www.urbanorganicgardener.com/self-watering-containers/
http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-make-a-self-watering-container
Sub Irrigated Planters
http://www.insideurbangreen.org/sub-irrigated-grow-box/
http://www.scribd.com/doc/35818333/DIY-Two-Bucket-EarthBox-Sub-Irrigated-Planter
http://greenroofgrowers.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-make-two-bucket-sub-irrigated.html
http://encyclopediahydroponica.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/diy-earth-box/
http://www.siph2o.net/index.html
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sub-Irrigated-Planter-Gardening/157324474308592
http://lunchatsixpoint.com/2011/06/27/the-sub-irrigated-planter-project/
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjcetq_ollas-and-sub-irrigated-planters-in-balcony-garden_school
http://www.slipperyslopefarm.us/liberty-sunset-garden-center-sub-irrigated-planter-systems.html
http://bushwickgreenteam.blogspot.com/2010/06/raised-bed-sub-irrigated-planters.html
http://www.greenculturesg.com/articles/may06/may06_self_watering_pot.htm
Wicking Boxes
http://scarecrowsgarden.blogspot.com/2008/02/wicking-box-gardens.html
http://milkwood.net/2011/05/09/how-to-make-a-wicking-box-mini-wicking-bed/
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3068-sfg-wicking-boxes
Wicking Beds
http://www.instructables.com/id/Wicking-Beds/
http://waterright.com.au/wicking_bed_technology.pdf
http://waterright.com.au/adoption.html
http://waterright.com.au/wicking beds.html
http://www.microponics.net.au/?p=352
http://scarecrowsgarden.blogspot.com/p/wicking-worm-beds.html191 days ago -
For those of you who like to reuse/recycle: there are hundreds of homes in the valley in foreclosure. Clean-up and restoration companies are paid to come in and make the properties sell-able. They will remove everything without discretion and haul it to the dump including block, pavers, fencing and more. These items are expensive and if you can get in touch with a preservation company, they may let you know when they have items you want. They get paid for hauling but you do the work so everyone wins.
Daniel ONeill Also watch the "Free" category on craigslist.com there were a couple of places in Mesa offering free pavers this weekend, but alas I live too far away and no truck...but its always been a good source for materials for me.240 days ago -
I am excited about starting my own inter city farm!
Jonie Tavilla I just read about VermiSoks and am excited about learning more and applying the knowledge.282 days ago -
I am starting raised beds in my Desert Hills back acreage. I have lots of space and hubby wants to use old railroad ties to make several 8x16 foot raised beds for me. I have topsoil at my disposal from the neighbors' new foundation dig. Any advice on construction or soil preparation? I know we need to add orgainc matter, how much? Hubby is pretty set on the size as he doesn't want to cut the railroad ties. Would a 2 course or 3 course high bed be better since it will be 8 feet wide? We will do a perimeter fence eventually to keep out rabbits and netting for birds. Any advice is welcome.
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I have a relatively small area to work with so my tomatos are in large clay pots. since the recent rain, one of my tomato plants has quite a number of curled leaves and some of the leaves have small brown spots on them. this was the only one not under cover during the rains. Any suggestions?
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I'm just getting started also. Was wondering how you can get rid of bermuda grass naturally without herbicides. I want to start a fruit orchard in my front yard.
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I finally feel like I'm getting somewhere! My garden is growing, I have very passive greywater systems set up (working on more!) and I *think* I'm working with the natural rainwater 'set up' of my house, and I'm planting with that in mind. I think the hardest part was starting It seems like it's not going to be too hard from here on out....I hope :)
Welcome to the group! Here's a few suggestions that may help keep the kitties out of your garden:
1 - mothballs are reported to deter cats, place them around the garden
2 - plant rue because the cats hate the smell (I've heard you can also rub it on furniture to keep them from scratching)
3 - spray a mixture of cayenne and water on your plants
4 - plant cat grass and cat nip in an area away from your garden
5 - put up chicken wire
The last two have worked best for me, and the others have had limited effectiveness with my own stubborn cats.
Thank you Melanie. Still navagating this site and with the holidays and work I got behind. Great suggestions. I greatly appreciate it.
In terms of vegetables pretty much everything grows down here, just in different seasons than your probably used too. In AZ we basically have the ability to grow food year round, since our winters are light (in most of AZ). I believe something insane like 80% of all leafy greens consumed in the US are grown in AZ during the winter.
In regards to the location of your garden I personally wouldn't place it in an area with a lot of shade. You definitely want to protect it from the Sun on the West side, but you want it to get plenty of Southern exposure. In the Spring/Summer grow season, vegetables need at least 7 hours of direct sunlight. In the winter we're looking at 5 hours. Peas my not flower with only 5 hours, but you can definitely grow leafy greens.
I'm also NOT a fan of using raised beds in the desert. In any other area of the country that would be the way to go. Not here. All the qualities that make a raised bed excellent everywhere else, is their major weakness in the desert. The 2 main ones being the fact that the soil in a raised bed is a lot warmer & it drains water very quickly. These means that you will use more water to produce your vegetables & that they won't be as happy because their roots are going to be very hot. It won't take much to have a crop failure.
I recommend doing a water harvesting basin for your vegetable garden. This would require you to dig at least 2 feet down (only dig out the planting bed & leave walkways intact), excavating all the soil & then amend it. You amend it by putting in 1/2 of the screened native soil & 1/2 quality compost. This works really well for me, much better than any of the raised beds I've built. I do this for a living & have direct experience with both methods. Digging in the ground is also much cheaper. The wood & soil needed for a raised bed can be very expensive. You can do a 100 sq ft garden for under $50 in the ground if you do the digging yourself. Not so with a raised bed. Your looking at at least $150 for the same square footage & you're be paying more for water too. For the same amount of money you can hire a master backhoe operator to dig out several garden beds in 2 hours.
With that said, digging 2 ft down may not be up you're alley. If you're going to build a raised bed anyway, do it the permaculture way. Build a wicking bed as they would say in Australia. In the US they usually call them Sub Irrigated Planters or Self Watering Containers. It's basically a low-tech hydro planter that utilizes capillary action to water your plants through their root systems. These systems can conserve 50%-80% of the water necessary to grow vegetables in arid drylands like our desert.
It's a permaculture thing that came out of Australia with their strict water laws. They can only hand water their gardens & only 2xper week max! Many places in Australia are arid drylands like our desert. I've posted 4 links which are my favorite right now
http://www.globalbuckets.org/p/olla-irrigation-clay-pot-system.html
http://www.globalbuckets.org/p/grow-bags.html
http://www.globalbuckets.org/1999/12/grow-bags-combined-with-aquavalve.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLsz5XWSE8o
Here is an extensive research list I've compiled over the years on how to build these systems:
Self-Watering Containers
http://www.josho.com/gardening.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZUCxBHeq04
http://grow.lot-o-nothin.com/sites/default/files/swc-1-making-a-swc-final.pdf
http://grow.lot-o-nothin.com/sites/default/files/swc-2-dual-tub-swc.pdf
http://www.urbanorganicgardener.com/self-watering-containers/
http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-make-a-self-watering-container
Sub Irrigated Planters
http://www.insideurbangreen.org/sub-irrigated-grow-box/
http://www.scribd.com/doc/35818333/DIY-Two-Bucket-EarthBox-Sub-Irrigated-Planter
http://greenroofgrowers.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-make-two-bucket-sub-irrigated.html
http://encyclopediahydroponica.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/diy-earth-box/
http://www.siph2o.net/index.html
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sub-Irrigated-Planter-Gardening/157324474308592
http://lunchatsixpoint.com/2011/06/27/the-sub-irrigated-planter-project/
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjcetq_ollas-and-sub-irrigated-planters-in-balcony-garden_school
http://www.slipperyslopefarm.us/liberty-sunset-garden-center-sub-irrigated-planter-systems.html
http://bushwickgreenteam.blogspot.com/2010/06/raised-bed-sub-irrigated-planters.html
http://www.greenculturesg.com/articles/may06/may06_self_watering_pot.htm
Wicking Boxes
http://scarecrowsgarden.blogspot.com/2008/02/wicking-box-gardens.html
http://milkwood.net/2011/05/09/how-to-make-a-wicking-box-mini-wicking-bed/
http://squarefoot.creatingforum.com/t3068-sfg-wicking-boxes
Wicking Beds
http://www.instructables.com/id/Wicking-Beds/
http://waterright.com.au/wicking_bed_technology.pdf
http://waterright.com.au/adoption.html
http://waterright.com.au/wicking beds.html
http://www.microponics.net.au/?p=352
http://scarecrowsgarden.blogspot.com/p/wicking-worm-beds.html
Also watch the "Free" category on craigslist.com there were a couple of places in Mesa offering free pavers this weekend, but alas I live too far away and no truck...but its always been a good source for materials for me.
I just read about VermiSoks and am excited about learning more and applying the knowledge.
Tracy, Do you know if your railroad ties were treated with creosote? Are you planning on a liner if they are? I love the look of railroad ties but I am always afraid of the whole creosote thing.
I personally wouldn't use railroad ties since their made from treated lumber & can leach toxins into your soil. I'm not a fan of raised beds either since they heat up more & lose water rapidly. You waste a lot of water when growing food in raised beds.
I would just dig out a keyhole garden 2 feet down & amend it with half compost & half native soil.
You always have to be careful of treated wood. Including railroad ties and bug treated wood. Those chemicals that they are treated with will end up in our foods.
I like the idea of mixing native soil with compost, but there is no way I can dig 2 feet down. Soil is too full of rocks; broke three trenchers putting in the landscaping irrigation lines. Hence the raised bed idea. Current plan is to do a variation on the square foot garden, making the beds 4x8 instead of 4x4. Will probably use redwood or untreated lumber at this point, and shoot for a September install.
Has anyone tried using the soil mix in Mel Bartholomew's All New Sqare Foot Gardening book here in the desert?
I will upload pictures one day of the garden install digs at my urban farm. We have bedrock pretty much a couple inches into the soil. I usually dig 4 feet down, using a caliche bar, pick axe, hand pick, and pointed digging shovels. The soil gets screened as it is excavated & 1/2 of it is used for water harvesting contour berms the same day its dug out. We only dig our planting beds & leave walkways intact. We get monster vegetables using this technique.
With that said I also practice container gardening using the Australian wicking box/bed systems that are known as self-watering containers here in the U.S.
Here is a link for DIY wicking beds (superior raised bed):
http://waterright.com.au/wicking-bed-history.html
Hi Cathie, I see something similar on my raised bed cherry tomatoes. I asked some one at Harper's today, and she said that they've been hearing this a lot this season, and Mr Harper said it had something to do with how cold it got at night after our recent rain, and that it is harmless, not a fungus, and to leave it be.
I hope your tomatoes are in the same shape as mine and we are ok! I'm seeing little green tomatoes now!! :)
John, Unfortunately the only solution I have found that works is to dig it out. If it is everywhere - put down a weed wall then dig out the Bermuda. You have to be persistent and every time the grass shows up dig it out. I am going to go write a blog post right now about weed walls.
I agree with Greg, you have to dig it out & screen it.
I have also had success with rotating a chicken tractor on areas run over by bermuda for at least 3 months. They completely eradicated it. They love to eat it & dig it out for me. Their manure is so hot that it can re-seed or come back after 3 months. I did this as an experiment but now its my preferred method for getting rid of it.
In areas where I can't put a chicken tractor I burn it with a blow torch. It totally comes back, but I don't like using sprays even if their OMRI listed. I have one area where I can't do this because their are some Acacia's, so I just hand pull it before it seeds & feed it to the chickens.


